We need a system-master, a teacher of the objective and organization, with enough genius to unite the old-established, the archaic, with the revolutionary.
Thomas Mann, Doctor Faustus
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At Domingo, 14 Agosto, 2005, sasfa said...
Também aqui a imaginação, tal como no texto referente a Bartok, embora neste se pareça opôr os dois compositores no que respeita a esta questão! Não será este o denominador comum de toda a composição, tonal, atonal, dodecafónica, electrónica, etc?!
At Domingo, 14 Agosto, 2005, pb said...
São essas mesmas, as oposições que eu vou lançando aqui para o blogue! Tudo completamente intencional.
The most basic premiss of Gould’s aesthetic was that music is primarily mental and only secondarily physical that sound is a medium for the transmission of music but not a necessary, defining aspect of music itself. For Gould a musical work was an abstract entity that could be fully comprehended in the mind in the absence of performance, without even the recollection of sounds or of physical means of production. A musical work thus existed beyond the sensory experience of it. Such a premiss may at first seem odd: Gould was, after all, first and foremost a performer, not a theorist, and much of his thinking about music took place in the context of performance. His work brought him constantly into contact with physical aspects of music-making; indeed, he took a more active interest than most classical musicians in such practical matters as the mechanics of his body, the action of his piano, and the techniques of recording. And he certainly cared about how his performances sounded. But there is really no contradiction here. To think about music in abstract terms is not necessarily to ignore music as sound; it is merely to make the physical aspect of music subservient to the conceptual. The hands serve the mind, not the reverse. Such a premiss is in fact commonplace: it places Gould within a particular tradition in the history of music aesthetics, a tradition with a long history and a substantial literature, and including performers of many different historical periods and intellectual backgrounds. What set Gould apart is that, unlike most performers, he did not reconcile his abstract view of music with conventional views on matters of performance. Instead, he permitted his view to influence his musical opinions and activities in unusually direct and idiosyncratic ways, and it was this willingness to adjust practice to accommodate theory that was the source for many of his controversial ideas and interpretations. Ultimately, it is to Gould’s abstraction, however commonplace it might at first seem, that we owe much of what is most interesting, characteristic, and provocative about his work.
Bartók is a composer who is not easily classified and whose style cannot be described either briefly or by means of standard, generally accepted terms or ‘isms’. He propounded no systems as did Schönberg and Hindemith, established no clear-cut direction as did Stravinsky (neo-classicism) and founded no ‘school’. The direct influence of his music on younger composers, compared to that of the three just mentioned, has been correspondingly small. This may be partly due to his retiring nature and mode of life but even more to the fact that his music is in the last analysis incapable of being codified, hence incapable of being directly imitated. It is witness to the enormous creative imagination of its composer, whose natural musicianship may well exceed that of any other twentieth-century composer. Bartók was more concerned with writing music as he felt it than he was with questions of æsthetics and idiom. His lifelong preoccupation with folksong - a distinctly concrete and vital matter - and its relation to the composer constitute his only theoretical concern. That he was thoroughly capable of the most minute systernatisation is apparent from the pains he took in the classification of folk music. In composing, however, he was entirely unsystematic, following only the devices of his own fantasy.3 Comments:
At Quarta-feira, 10 Agosto, 2005, DGP said...
Eu, pelo contrário “roubei” um livro ao Bockman. Uma sebenta original, feita na altura em fotocópia com recortes colados. Tive umas aulas com ele em casa, mas entretanto desapareci e esqueci-me de lhe devolver.
At Segunda-feira, 15 Agosto, 2005, sergio azevedo said...
Bochmann, rapaz, BOCHMANN!!!
At Sexta-feira, 19 Agosto, 2005, DGP said...
ups...só espero não ter pago as aulas em cheque!
Probably there have been very few distinguished composers who spent so much time in their career teaching, and with such passionate dedication to this task, as Schönberg did. One of the principle reasons for this strong passion along the tradition lay in the belief that teaching constituted an indespensable means of passing along the tradition that he believed in so fervently and of which he considered himself to be a part. Schönberg was never reluctant to pay homage to those composers who had influenced him: his primary ‘teachers’ Bach and Mozart, and secondarily Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner. Schönberg always liked to describe his method of working in class as ‘proceeding systematically.’ In his classes he provided numerous examples illustrating all aspects of counterpoint, from the simplest treatment of the species to chorale prelude and fugue. Some of the examples were prepared specifically in advance of the class meetings, but many more, in accordance with Schönberg’s usual pedagogical custom, were improvised on the spot in the classroom to illustrate special points as they occurred. Schönberg’s procedure did not have as its goal the production of one or two perfect examples according to certain aesthetic or stylistic considerations, but has the more practical aim of encouraging the student to discover for him every possible solution or consideration of a given problem within ever-widening limits. The ultimative result of his method is the acquisition of a discipline which enables the student to analyse thoroughly all problems that might arise, and gain possession of a sure technique which will make it possible for him to find solutions for most of these problems.1 Comments:
At Terça-feira, 09 Agosto, 2005, pb said... Sim, eu sei, já publiquei uma boa parte deste texto num outro post - Arnold Schoenberg (professor e compositor)... Mas aqui está o texto todo de Leonard Stein que se adapta bem à temática do post.
Schönberg was convinced that the student of composition must master thoroughly thetraditional techniques and organizational methods, and possess a wide and intimate knowledge of musical literature if he wishes to solve the more difficult problems of contemporary music. In his classes there was little reference to music since 1900, though the student was encouraged to make full use of the resources available up to that time. Certain aesthetic essentials, such as clarity of statement, contrast, repetition, balance, variation, elaboration, proportion, connexion, transition - these and many others are applicable regardless of style or idiom.
O tributo - 7 Variations sur Lennie Tristano (2002)2 Comments:
At Terça-feira, 09 Agosto, 2005, IO said... Outro que chegou!, feliz pelo teu regresso!, abraço, IO.
At Terça-feira, 09 Agosto, 2005, pb said... Olá io! Obrigado pelo encorajamento. Eu entretanto, e apesar de não postar, vou sempre ao chuinga! Ao 2, é claro, por falar nisso, tenho que actualizar o link na minha página...
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At Terça-feira, 09 Agosto, 2005, DGP said...
E nós por cá?
At Terça-feira, 09 Agosto, 2005, pb said...
Também neste post a questão é mesmo essa...
Tudo a arder, o “normal” neste jardim à beira-mar chamuscado.
É que se pode ter por cá!!!
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At Quinta-feira, 11 Agosto, 2005, CV said... Por cá, não tenho a certeza de que inteligência e realização académica, auto-estima e disciplina tenham alguma coisa a ver com os objectivos ou pressupostos das políticas educativas e, muito menos, das artísticas.
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At Terça-feira, 09 Agosto, 2005, DGP said...
Nós por cá vamos ficando pelo meio onde, neste caso, não está a virtude. Haverá algumas excepções. Ainda não há muitos anos, numa pequena aldeia ao pé de Mértola (onde passei uns dias) os homens encontravam-se ao fim do dia para juntos construirem uma sociedade recreativa e enquanto trabalhavam cantavam, cantavam sempre. Quanto á cultura de ensino rigoroso e formal, acho que ainda não chegámos lá. Falo de uma cultura, ou seja, neste caso falo de uma herança social de um povo, que não me parece rigorosa em coisa nenhuma, muito menos na música.